On the other hand, I probably wouldn’t frequent a place that banned children, depending on their reasons. I imagine that life in public with kids will become one giant, sticky ball pit. That said, I don’t take my kids to places where I want to enjoy kid-free time! Where does it end? Sometimes by myself and sometimes on a date with my husband. I always said what I meant and meant what I said, still do… you hear so many parents threatening children “We’ll leave” or “You won’t get that toy” etc…. First things first, I love you blog/s. My kids love to go places with me, and I love to take them. Hmmm…I guess it depends on the restaurant. Given this, 66.1 percent agreed on the need for no kid zones at restaurants and coffee shops. However, I do not think that places can mandate whether or not children are allowed without facing charges of discrimination. Thanks for giving us this space to vent!! If they are always with other children how will they learn this? I think the hard thing for parents to understand is that you, the parent, must behave as you wish your children to. you take you bratts anywhere you want. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for no good reason. for pete’s sake! And I think Whole Food’s babysitting program is a little bit genius. it makes me sad and maybe a little nervous for the future. I’m a few days late commenting… so, maybe I’m too late to contribute on this one! But it confirms what my husband and I have been suspecting for a long time now. I wouldn’t want to have my children at a late night movie where drinking is involved anyway. And if the motivation is because of the ever-growing sentiment that children are a nuisance, a negative, a “ball and chain”….then that part of it just makes me sad. Last week, we went to an art museum and it was a limited engagement. Children and people are not an interuption anywhere. Produit partenaire. OK, first of all – I don’t have time to join in the conversation by reading all the comments before mine. We all have bad days, and kids are no exception. I don’t think resturants should ban kids, unless its a brewery like Oggies’ in California, they should inform the parents that a screaming child will not be tolerated, but then the resturants do need to speed up their service, the only time my kids get fussy in a resturant is when they have to wait nearly an hour for their food – that shouldnt be tolerated either. My kids are grown, but when they were growing up, if they misbehaved, there were consequences. Just was blown away by being repeatedly told to “watch” my kids on every attraction. I think we’re becoming less responsible with kids, forcing and allowing them to grow up fast. No flying No shipping 40% reduction in heating 40% reduction in appliance energy use 40% reduction in food chain supply and cooking energy No iron ore or limestone – all recycled. I never took it as banning kids from the store. Casual restaurants? We say “grownup movies” around our home to avoid the awkward label you almost mentioned here. IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTING – yes that’s a big huge problem. Mexicans value family and adore children! I believe there are places that are appropriate and not for children, but perhaps it is going a bit far. I unfortunately don’t have time to read all the other comments today, so someone may have said what I am thinking. Signaler un abus. We went in, saw some things, then got the hell out. Alot of you aren’t going to like this…. But as far as the whole foods thing goes… oh my gosh – free babysitting while I go grocery shopping!! We treat our children and our elderly poorly. I am troubled by the permissive parenting that causes reactions like this from businesses. Exchanged some words of sympathy and laughs with other mom, and went on my way. I also think it’s a little bit…I don’t want to say selfish, but that’s the best word I can come up with…it’s a little bit selfish to think that you can go into public and not have other people around you. Why would you want to go someplace where your kids are not welcome? Get over it. Yes, on a plane that might be impossible and more patience is required. However, there are certain places children just do not belong. Why is everyone so up in arms because a few high-end restaurants want to protect their brand? it shows they’re valuing the adults’ time. I agree! I’ve even seen kids running around in church during Mass like little Indians and the parents think nothing of it. That being said, I grew up as an only child who spent a lot of my time with my parents and other adults. That’s simply a ban based on age too. I like that in other countries, people are very welcoming of kids but there are plenty of adult only places like bars and such so I’m not sure why our society doesn’t accept kids. We brought plenty of activities for them and gave them some space to walk back and forth between adults. rather ear peircing as well. As a mama to 4 (ages 2-12) I am aware of what my children can handle and make efforts to leave them home (when possible) particularly if we are in the “danger zone” – naptimes or after 8pm. But then, that’s not really living is it? It’s about responsive parenting but kids who are acting I have to very average acting grandchildren who are now at the age I love to take to special times out. Therefore, I can’t afford a babysitter frequently and don’t have free help. 'No kids zone' - rights not to be disturbed or excessive restriction? In general I see kids out later then what used to be considered ‘appropriate’ and at locations that were not intended for children and it is, again generally, tolerated. I am so on the fence about this topic. I have two young ones, 1 and 2, and they love going to the movies, but i hate having to take them out half way through and never seeing the movie. People in wheelchairs take up extra room. Her personality, limitations and triggers for certain behaviours. Of course, I realize that this wouldn’t work in every situation (: I just took my son to the post office because I had to mail out a package and had to do it then. My girlfriends and I have a Mom’s Night Out once a month and I have to bring along my nursing infant (who was pretty fussy last time). I know its hard to constantly be paying for a babysitters so that you can enjoy a night out, but its temporary and maybe parents can trade with another couple in their neighborhood or family. shows how much children and parenting is devalued in this society – and how self-absorbed, self-centered and comfort-oriented this culture is becoming. I guess that comes with the entitled attitude. Inevitably they will stop by our table on their way out and thank us for having well behaved children. They are people too, and adults need to remember they were kids once too. I also believe segregation is unhealthy. I agree completely with you on this one! I have been the mother of 20 plus children, bio, adopted, foster and literally children off the street. It is discrimination. If all kids were like this I would ban them from everywhere! A responsible parent will respond to their child’s misbehavior and either correct or leave. If we’re paying for a babysitter to take care of our little tike, to enjoy each other’s company….then we’d like it to be without children that draw attention to themselves due to negative behavior….which we completely can identify with. 1) It is just another “ugly head” raised against what God has established, that of families and family life. They were being very good, talking quietly and enjoying their ice cream. There are lots of people who are not going to fly coach and are not going to leave their kids in coach alone. No Zone Ally 168,00 € 151,95 € Continuer mes achats. Sometimes, if your next to a screaming tot, and your not too busy, just offer a smile and a word or two. etc.) up. If one or more children because restless, overly loud, or began to cry, one parent would remove the offending child(ren), until “order” was resumed. It. But the usher saw him start to wiggle and whisper “Mama”…. Therefore, I will not apologize for walking out of a restaurant when I hear a child crying or see them misbehaving, and I refuse to be held accountable for how the owner of the restaurant responds to my actions. They are probably just as fed up as you! We were with our friends who also have a child, and we ran into another set of friends with their children. It was popularized when youtube user Overboard Humor produced numerous videos in which he said funny Youtube comments to strangers in … ... Hay ree kid I think moto moto like you - Duration: 0:13. If we expect kids to grow up with tolerance, patience, & understanding.. should we not lead them by example instead of simply excluding them? He’s not there for the point of being there. I find it extremely offensive and honestly would never give a company my business that didn’t allow my children. I’m super blessed to have my sister just a few miles away and I often call on her to keep the kids just for a little while to run errands. Instead of banning noisy people, it’s all kids under 6 regardless of if they’re irritating others. The whole time we were wishing that there was a restaurant like this available to us in the U.S. — other than McDonald’s. I just wouldn’t patronize a place that didn’t welcome children. Absolutely. We wanted to focus on each other, not exercise our compassion for others with kids. That being said, I don’t bring my 9month old to the movies or a fancy restaurant where he is expected to keep quiet for 2 hours but I will bring my 5year old (and keep him quiet). Either way, you’ll feel better since its a friend at that point. So, is this really a “persecution” agains parents? And she told the boy he could go to sleep when they got in the car. Ree Drummond‘s big family got a little bit bigger!The beloved Pioneer Woman star introduced her foster son, Jamar, almost two years after he joined her family. During the times we’ve not had Sunday School or children’s activities during worship, I’ve gotten absolutely nothing out of worship. It is just plain rude and we are passing these disrespectful behaviors onto our children. or 2) Could this be more of a reflection on parenting or more importantly, lack of parenting? Otherwise I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be having this discussion – as I’m guessing some of the people posting on this blog would have already taken that business owner to court. I’m not going to abandon my groceries. Churches that have a program for every age group can help adults to be less distracted and learn more directly. There isn’t a merging of the two very often. She was intelligent, friendly…. bc.rcmp.ca. The boys seat the girls, they mind their manners and have a great time. They recently refused my 3 year old entrance because she was oh, about one milimetre too short. I find the idea of complete banning of children from a public place to be in bad taste. Yes I ate cold meals at restaurants because what we thought would work didn’t and we ended up eating in shifts. My parents (the hippy generation) have called out of control behavior “just a phase” where as my grandparents, in the same situation, have encouraged us to take the child out of the restaurant, discipline them, and return them once they are willing to act appropriately. Social media are abuzz with views both for and against. I think it should be about behaviour and not age. When they start running around or throw a tantrum I quickly grab my last items and head to check out. Parents MUST make time for their children… time to raise, nurture, and teach. and if i paid to sit in first class, you better believe i don’t want a toddler kicking my seat…. Grant you i wish they would of removed the kid. I see nothing wrong with offering kid-friendly times versus later adult hours. It's part of Tsh's popular newsletter called Books & Crannies, where she shares thoughts about the intersection of stories & travel, work & play, faith & questions, and more. What about a disruptive adult? I think as a parent, I would appreciate a polite sign saying something like “If your child enjoys sitting quietly, he/she is welcome here. I fully support no children zones. It is great. Flags. Some restaurants clearly aren’t intended for kids, and I think people abuse that, and that’s why these places feel the need to “ban children”. When parents take the responsibility to train and teach their children, we as a society will benefit, and children will be a welcome blessing to every one. Toddlers and children have to be trained to entertain themselves quietly for an hour or so. My first thought was, Who is taking them to these movies during the day? And before I get a comment, I am over generalizing and I do understand that there are people that are different. Also, have you seen their new cellphone advert? I definitely think this will be interesting to watch develop because there are going to be some very upset, very vocal parents who won’t like having their kids banned. I know that these types of restaurants are the ONLY restaurants that my husband and I consider when we are heading out as a family. Jesus didn’t kick the kids out when the disciples wanted to, he said, “let them come to me!” Best thing you could do? Instead, they ignore it while those around them suffer. If I have small children and a store/restaurant says they’re not allowed, that’s the store’s prerogative. I am not called to be their friend/buddy/pal and often I am not popular but that is okay (it affirms that I am doing the right thing by giving them boundaries). I’m the first one to bristle at being told I can’t go somewhere or do something. I ENJOY my children and they are learning how to be responsible adults by going places with me. Exactly! I don’t go there, but if I did my daughter would go with me and I would never leave her for some stranger to care for. To me it raises questions about how we can create environments and spaces where children’s needs and tendencies are honored and taken into account, while also doing our best to find ways to make everyone’s experience one of comfort and welcome. If I was in an environment when my child tantrumed and someone confronted me, they have officially made the situation worse for everybody. There are still a lot more of us, and we have the benefit of ferocity when it comes to protecting the world we want our kids to inherit. For me….depends on the motivation behind the restrictions…. 14 Year Olds. Our children WERE NOT perfect, but they were – for the most part, courteous, happy, pleasant, little individuals, and we were often complimented on their good behavior. They were not allowed to yell when they were inside. Children deserve respect and tolerance as much as adults do. . in a class I took him out to calm down because he obviously wasn’t But, on one level, I also wonder what the long-term results of this type of rule is. I have a nearly 5yo daughter and expecting my second daughter in October. Just my take. A bummer, but the lesson is learned. I think the main issue is lack of parenting. My concern is not how our society views children but how our society raises children. I thought that my kids eyes would pop!! Our clergy encourages reverent behavior during our church service because we are worshiping in the Lord’s house, and even the youngest children can understand that. Lancée il y a quelques jours, l'application française No-Go Zone provoque un véritable tollé puisqu'elle a rapidement été récupérée par des mouvements d'extrême droite. My oldest is very shy and a babysitting service in the store would be traumatic for her. Our society likes to pick on those least able to stand up for themselves…children, the elderly, sick people, the list goes on…. it reminds me of my mom. I think we’ve become too tolerant of children in general and parents have stopped parenting, instead becoming indulgent and not setting strict boundaries. and parents should be exactly that… PARENTS teaching their children how to behave, grow up, and live in society. Mom had a cup of ice and was trying to cool it off (remember we are at DQ). But…I could almost understand if this is their one time out a month and it’s melt-down city and stuff happens. couldn’t agree more!! That’s a whole different topic though! Children who are found “offensive” by begging in Uganda actually get rounded up and placed in what is essentially a prison. I don’t disagree with kid free places, sometimes that’s appropriate (like a grown up movie, or a fancy restaurant). I felt a little uncomfortable bringing in my young kids (ages 3 and 1) but the wait staff were really kind and doted on our children so I felt comfortable after awhile. Stop! I would tremble with fear sending my 5+ year old delayed son in as he wasn’t toilet trained until 8 years old. After the service, I watched while she did nothing as her dogs barked shrilly at 3 different toddlers who approached the doggy stroller, each time sending the child off crying and scared. Do people need personal space? Our society would be better if they treated a child as a whole complete person with thoughts and feelings just as valid as anyone else’s instead of some sort of little pet robot to only do as instructed. My husband and I took a trip for our anniversary and thought we’d pick somewhere we’d never take the kids that was adult-oriented so we wouldn’t be around too many children. It is meant to represent the unique croak produced by several species of frogs when agitated. That is ridiculous. I’ve seen plenty of adults in “nicer” restaurants that I’ve wished could be sent to the “loud-and-obnoxious-free-zone”. What a brave woman to undertake such a topic publicly! I think it’s a great idea. I think as parents that we have a responsibility to try our best to show our children how to act in public, and to choose appropriate places for where are children are developmentally, but banning kids is over the top. My four kids are relatively well-behaved, but they have their moments, too. If you are in a public venue and your kids choose to pitch a fit, it is your obligation to find a private place until your child is back under control whether they are 2 months or 5 years old. It’s not the children people are objecting to, it’s the parents. The problem is that many parents today have zero regard or respect for others. They just won’t get my business. Though I really do not like the idea of totally “banning” kids from entering their store/restaurant. Mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign starts, Not wearing a mask is not an option (Part 5). adults can think through the consequences much more thoroughly than kids. Yes, I have been in eating establishments where there have been children that are out of control and out of line. Who are these kids and why do they keep calling me mom? We shouldn’t expect that other adults should just be patient with our out of control child. I have babysat her since she was 15 months old. Here’s where I got lucky; she never tested me till she was old enough for this, around 3&1/2. I think the problem is too many adults who want what they want, no matter what. We have bouncers in bars for disruptive individuals that have imbibed too much. It seems that the internet and their own personal hobbies and friends are more important than spending quality time with their children. I think these rules are being implemented for the kids in America that aren’t being disciplined by their parents like they should be and are basically just running wild. The saying in this country says “Children should be seen and not heard,” but it is as if now children should not be seen either? Once she was old enough items were given back because she didn’t say thank you – we left parties because she was disrespectful. I know I don’t drag my kids running errands if it’s their naptime or haven’t eaten, cause then meltdowns are bound to happen. My children know what is expected of them before we leave the house and if for some reason they are having a bad day then we don’t bring that energy to everyone else. I mean It would be my right to a pleasnat experience right? Its hard because some people have to miss to teach, but all members teach in a rotation for 2 months so its doable. A child’s brain does not function as an adult’s brain does and therefore, they do not have the capacity to think logically, understand reason, or control their emotions. I’d rather parents become better at parenting, that parents consider the feelings of others and teach their kiddos the same. I support a business being able to create the atmosphere they believe is most conducive to the success of their endeavor. This probably wouldn’t be an issue if parents actually disciplined their kids. Although I am not a single parent I can emphasize with them. As a parent, it is my right to have my children with me wherever I go. I think there are ill-behaved and well-behaved people in all age groups and to paint everyone in a group with the same brush is ageist. However, I would say the same is true for adult who have to be texting through out a movie or can’t figure out how to turn off their phone or put their phone on vibrate. Some places kids don’t need to be. As a result, there’s been a backlash of “kid-free” places. That said, I know I would like to shop where no little ones drop stuff on the floor and you almost, or do, trip over the junk. In some ways the church is the worst! I think Whole Foods did the right thing. In church, I don’t mind a little baby noise, kids talking softly, or crying a little if mom is trying to get into a nursing position, etc. My husband and I purposefully look for family friendly restaurants when taking our 6 year old daughter out to eat. Then they are grown and asking for the car keys and we would give anything to shrink them back to that age for just a day. everyone wins. The buzz really got going when a Whole Foods Market in Missouri announced a new event: two hours of free babysitting while you go shopping, every Friday in August. En lire plus. Of course we also make an effort to only bring my toddler to a kid-friendly store, especially with restaurants. Although I can see how places might lose some business by implementing a kid-free policy, it is also possible they might gain business. Could it be that businesses are creating “kid free zones” because parents are abdicating their responsibility? talk about customer service! If we are, as a society, making the statement that children can’t be expected to behave in public, then how are we ever going to teach them to behave? If more parents were willing to ‘parent’ rather than do as they please with kids in tow, I would have more trouble with these policies. My children WERE NEVER allowed to run a muck or act up and disturb others in a restaurant or airplane or doctor’s office, because my wife and I BOTHERED to teach our children good manners and they always knew what we expected of them!! We meet my folks there and know a lot of the people in the pews around us. We don’t have a Sunday school or nursery so all the families are welcome during services. This is exactly what I think — it’s age discrimination. We go to family friendly places. I think it’s a crap shoot at best — sometimes your kids will behave like angels and other times they appear to sprout horns for no reason. We welcome dogs. I think the expectations that people put on children and parents are completely unreasonable. It is NEVER acceptable to let a child scream and run around in a public place. She knows that she can run around and be a maniac at home but behaves in public. If they are restaurant patrons without kids tonight, they expect everyone else’s kids to be quiet. The DINKs want to exert influence on businesses to ban kids, then influence back if you are a parent with children of any age, even adult children. Let the businesses that want to cater to adults only be able to do so. Honestly, I’ve taken my almost-2-year-old to some slightly fancier restaurants, but I’ve done that because I know she can handle it, and if for some reason she can’t, I’m okay with taking her out to the car and waiting there. I don’t expect things to be perfect, but I do expect common courtesy. When we go out alone we often make choices about when and where to make sure we have an adult experience. Certainly as parents, we have to think strategically about where to bring our children and how we structure them. ), http://www.rosalynpricenglish.com/contest.html, http://inamirrordimly.net/2011/07/dinner-gone-wrong/. The other side of that is that we, as parents, need to know our own kids and not place them in situations where they cannot behave appropriately. He and Nick Crompton are both popular on Instagram. One person’s perception of my kids behavior and another’s were completely different (I thought they did GREAT, personally), and I’m pretty sure also depended on their own experiences (pretty sure the couple next to us was childless). When I am out to eat the last thing I want to be around is screaming kids and such. So ok, set some limits for the sake of the children whose parents dont seem to know any better. When businesses ban children, I feel persecuted. And at whose expense? Bree on July 29, 2011 at 8:42 am I absolutely agree that certain places should be off limits to children. Yep, there was a baby in the theater. As far as airlines, we go through scans, pokes, prods, and multiple irritations to fly, that’s just expected. As a parent who tries to raise future responsible adults it is increasingly frustrating. And doors will open to her that are shut to her contemporaries. . 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